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Vote to nowhere

Posted by Martin Williams on May 5, 2008 3:18 PM | 

We’ve written several Blog entries about apathy and the general laziness of some people in this region, but Friday’s council elections were a new low for the sleepy souls of Denbighshire.
I arrived at Ruthin Town Hall and found dozens of councillors pacing up and down the street, smoking, biting fingernails and worrying for their futures.
As well they should have been.
Councillors are supposed to be important, they’re the ones who decide planning applications, battle for the rights of constituents and have a say on crucial matters of importance to us all - the setting of council tax, spending on education and highways, safety outside our schools - the list is endless.
So, with pen and paper in hand, I sat down to listen to the results.
And then it happened.
Some members were being elected or re-elected with just a few hundred votes.
People were becoming councillors with the backing of just 150 people. I have more friends than that on Facebook!
This went on for hours, 200 or so here, 400-ish here - it was a joke.
I know low turnouts are nothing new, but I’ve never seen it as bad as this.
Some members received great support, and good luck to them.
There were others I sympathised with, knowing they’d been out canvassing, battling for your support, only to be beaten by less deserving individuals.
Labour took a hammering, the Conservatives were the biggest winners, but out of interest lets take Rhyl as an example of how weird this year’s ballot was.
Rhyl West and South West is still a Labour stronghold, despite almost 70% of the area being on benefits.
The rest of the town - bar Jeanette Chamberlain Jones and Brian Blakeley, is Tory blue.
Rhyl is pretty much 50/50 between the two parties, which I find a tad bizarre.
If anything I’d have thought the Westenders would have joined the rest of the county in the Labour backlash, but instead they got behind them. It is the poorest ward in the county, one of the poorest in Wales and they still took control of it?
There is a lot of redevelopment taking place, so perhaps they’re looking to the future.
Politics is a funny old game.”

Comments (9)

SY wrote...

Actually the turnout for this year's Council elections in Denbighshire was 42.4% which was a higher turnout than for some of the Assembly elections in the Vale of Clwyd constituency and Clwyd South last year for example.

Also Labour did not take a hammering in Denbighshire. They got 7 Councillors four years ago and they got 7 again this time around. That doesn't qualify as a hammering in my book.

We all know that turnout is poor but the national and local media do such a poor job of covering politics in general it's hardly surprising. The Daily Post devoted some coverage to the elections in Denbighshire but it was basically just a list of problems facing the County at the moment. They didn't bother to talk to any Councillors or ask them why they were standing.

It must also be said that Denbighshire County Council did virtually nothing to encourage people to turn out to vote. The odd press release on the website doesn't really cut it.

In short local elections need to be advertised more. The Council, local media and community groups all need to play a role

Posted by: SY  | May 8, 2008 9:57 AM

Brian Rhyl wrote...

If only getting seven councillors is not a thrashing in your book then perhaps you and your Labour pals should set your sights a little higher.

What happened is a realistic reflection of peoples attitude to what was once the party of the man on the street.

It's now a complete joke.

And it's up to the candidates to get off their backsides and canvas, and a lot of them didn't seem to bother.

Posted by: Brian Rhyl  | May 8, 2008 6:18 PM

Colin wrote...

Councillors are in the paper every week mate, you should learn to read!! The reason they shouldn't be is that:

a) They do very little
b) People are more concerned with real life, not the likes of Frobisher, Ruane and Hannam trying to get their faces into the paper every week.
c) It's BORING.

Posted by: Colin  | May 8, 2008 6:31 PM

SY wrote...

To Brian:

Labour have never been well represented in Denbighshire (apart from in Rhyl). Believe me I'm no fan of the Labour party but you can hardly call getting the same number of Councillors as you did four years ago a "thrashing". Lets face it apart from in Rhyl Labour will always struggle to get Councillors in Denbighshire because most of the County is not part of the party's natural constituency.

To Colin:

I never said that the local media didn't cover local politics, I just said they did a bad job of it. The Daily Post, Visitor etc just cover these things like the national media do: focus on all the negatives, highlight the controversies, never report on the good things that happen in Denbighshire. I do think if people had more of an idea of who their local Councillor was and what they stood for (which the local media never cover) it would help raise the profile of local politics. You do have a point though when you say local politics is boring.

I guess this all comes back to the fact that local authorities are very constrained by what the Assembly, Whitehall and the EU dictate to them and the mundane matters Councils have to deal with. But I guess this is a debate that is probably beyond the remit of a local newspaper!

Posted by: SY  | May 9, 2008 11:08 AM

Menny Man wrote...

Why don't councillors get off their ****s and make it known then? They're always in the paper, what are you going on about?

Posted by: Menny Man  | May 9, 2008 2:40 PM

Cllr Brian Blakeley wrote...

To Menny
Can I say that I and Glyn Pickering have spent 5 years of our ****s and spent time walking and talking and listening to the residents of the biggest ward in denbighshire, Rhyl South East, but still Glyn lost his seat due to a protest vote on the 10p.
Very Unfair

Posted by: Cllr Brian Blakeley  | May 10, 2008 4:33 PM

DAVID WILLIAMS wrote...

SY SHOULD COME CLEAN. HE SOUNDS LIKE AN APOLOGIST FOR THE LABOUR PARTY TO ME, BUT I CAN REMEMBER WHEN ALL DENBIGHSHIRE CONSERVATIVES BECAME INDEPENDENTS OVERNIGHT JUST TO SAVE THEIR NECKS IN THE 1990'S. COUNCILLORS ARE AN EXPENSIVE IRRELEVANCE, UNLESS WE DECIDE TO GET RID OF THE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE ASSEMBLY. WE ARE APATHETIC, BECAUSE, ONCE ELECTED, THEY ARE IN A COMFORT ZONE AND DO LITTLE FOR THEIR 'SALARIES'. WHEN A SITTING COUNCILLOR ASKED FOR MY SUPPORT, I SAID 'SURE, WHEN YOU REPLY TO MY LETTER SENT IN 1999!'I WON'T HOLD MY BREATH.

Posted by: DAVID WILLIAMS  | May 10, 2008 7:03 PM

SY wrote...

Quite a few of the posts have suggested that Councillors do very little and/or are expensive. It might be worth clearing a few things up here.

Firstly, the average wage for a Councillor is £4,400 a year. Therefore, most Councillors have to attend to their other commitments and careers whilst also representing their wards and being engaged in the Council's business. I think they should be commended for giving up what is essentially their free time to help improve the quality of life in Denbighshire.

Secondly, I think most people would find it very difficult to spend their free time discussing the latest Performance Indicators or trawling through the Assembly's latest guidelines on waste disposal. Yet Councillors need to do this on a weekly basis.

Thirdly, I have been in Council meetings where I've shaken my head in exasperation when some Councillors make these very crude party political points which to me only serves to encourage apathy in politics. However, the vast majority do their best to help the Council in its work and try to raise important issues that affect their communities.

It does seem unfair to criticise Councillors for being expensive or lazy when in fact they do a job most people would be loth to do in their spare time. The trouble is (and I'm sorry to the Visitor for bringing this up again) nobody ever knows anything about this because the local media don't report on this kind of thing.


Editor's comment: If SY took the time to read the Visitor he/she would find that we report on council meetings regularly. We have not reported on councillors or council meetings in past weeks because of the elections, but will do so from this week forward.
We are often criticised for publishing too many stories about councillors and not enough about the community, a criticism I've addressed since my arrival.
If SY - who is obviously either a councillor or council officer - wishes to make themselves known then maybe they could contact us directly and put their points across.
I'd be more than happy to run through the hundreds of stories we write, both good and bad, about local members - Martin Williams

Posted by: SY  | May 12, 2008 11:09 AM

OPeter wrote...

You can tell SY is a councillor! Who else would want to see more local politics in the Visitor! Most people would rather see stories about real people.

And nobody forces these men and women to become councillors, they get cash for it and half of them do nothing - that's not even an argument.

Posted by: OPeter  | May 13, 2008 8:18 PM

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